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	<title>Comments on: Why Napoleon Hill&#8217;s Mastermind Concept Fails Time And Time Again</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with much of what you said.  It&#039;s true that many MM groups fail. But it&#039;s not because the concept is flawed, but rather because the members lack the right attitude and the commitment to make it work.

I&#039;ve had a couple of them in the past. When the members met as the said they would, we had fantastic meetings. But, when they allowed other things to encroach on the times that we had set aside for them, they were a complete waste of time.

There&#039;s no need to have a president and vice-president, or even an agenda. You simply have each person talk about his/her business for 10 or 15 minutes to begin with, and then perhaps 5 minutes during each session thereafter. Each takes his/her turn. As each business is discussed, others will get ideas on how to solve the problems mentioned.

The MasterMind is the additional mind that results from everyone discussing one another&#039;s business. For example, if there are five people in the group, then a sixth mind is created, in that some or all of them will think of things that they would not have thought of on their own.

In groups where there is commitment and people do show up, there&#039;s often the wrong attitude. (The same problem occurs in many networking groups.) The right attitude is, &quot;What can I give?&quot; The wrong attitude is, &quot;What can I get?&quot; Groups tend to unravel when members with the wrong attitude feel that they&#039;re not getting enough. In groups, of any kind, where members are trying to outgive one another, the level of success is absolutely astounding!

Having only one person speak at in a given meeting also stifles the mechanism of a MM group. Sure, some people may come up with a few ideas to help another, but it&#039;s much more likely that they will if everyone talks about their businesses.

I encourage you to obtain a copy of the presentation that NH gave on this topic. He lists the five or six men who met in the MM group he describes. One of the them was F W Woolworth. The others, whose names escape me, also were at the beginning of their careers. NH stresses that none of them had any money. Yet, all of them developed huge businesses.

There&#039;s a lesson there for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with much of what you said.  It&#8217;s true that many MM groups fail. But it&#8217;s not because the concept is flawed, but rather because the members lack the right attitude and the commitment to make it work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a couple of them in the past. When the members met as the said they would, we had fantastic meetings. But, when they allowed other things to encroach on the times that we had set aside for them, they were a complete waste of time.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need to have a president and vice-president, or even an agenda. You simply have each person talk about his/her business for 10 or 15 minutes to begin with, and then perhaps 5 minutes during each session thereafter. Each takes his/her turn. As each business is discussed, others will get ideas on how to solve the problems mentioned.</p>
<p>The MasterMind is the additional mind that results from everyone discussing one another&#8217;s business. For example, if there are five people in the group, then a sixth mind is created, in that some or all of them will think of things that they would not have thought of on their own.</p>
<p>In groups where there is commitment and people do show up, there&#8217;s often the wrong attitude. (The same problem occurs in many networking groups.) The right attitude is, &#8220;What can I give?&#8221; The wrong attitude is, &#8220;What can I get?&#8221; Groups tend to unravel when members with the wrong attitude feel that they&#8217;re not getting enough. In groups, of any kind, where members are trying to outgive one another, the level of success is absolutely astounding!</p>
<p>Having only one person speak at in a given meeting also stifles the mechanism of a MM group. Sure, some people may come up with a few ideas to help another, but it&#8217;s much more likely that they will if everyone talks about their businesses.</p>
<p>I encourage you to obtain a copy of the presentation that NH gave on this topic. He lists the five or six men who met in the MM group he describes. One of the them was F W Woolworth. The others, whose names escape me, also were at the beginning of their careers. NH stresses that none of them had any money. Yet, all of them developed huge businesses.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lesson there for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Strange</title>
		<link>http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/art-napoleon-hill-mastermind/comment-page-1/#comment-2947</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 11:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, although I´m not sure I&#039;ve been getting the Mastermind to work perfectly I don&#039;t think it&#039;s supposed to work the way you&#039;ve explained. I have a group of mentors with whom I consult from time to time and they help me see things from a different perspective, either through experience or specialist expertise that they have and I don&#039;t.
As far as I have understood the Mastermind group is totally informal and does not even have to meet.  YOU drive it, interacting with each of the other members individually, offering something to them and then getting something back. If some of them happen to know each other and you can meet in small groups then fine but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the idea. 
Cheers, Phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, although I´m not sure I&#8217;ve been getting the Mastermind to work perfectly I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s supposed to work the way you&#8217;ve explained. I have a group of mentors with whom I consult from time to time and they help me see things from a different perspective, either through experience or specialist expertise that they have and I don&#8217;t.<br />
As far as I have understood the Mastermind group is totally informal and does not even have to meet.  YOU drive it, interacting with each of the other members individually, offering something to them and then getting something back. If some of them happen to know each other and you can meet in small groups then fine but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the idea.<br />
Cheers, Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Sojourner</title>
		<link>http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/art-napoleon-hill-mastermind/comment-page-1/#comment-1643</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Master Mind concept doesn&#039;t fail.  The people in the group fail. There is not enough commitment on their part.  It is going to be one or two people in the group that cause the group to fail because they are going to create situations that contradict the harmony required for the success of everyone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Master Mind concept doesn&#8217;t fail.  The people in the group fail. There is not enough commitment on their part.  It is going to be one or two people in the group that cause the group to fail because they are going to create situations that contradict the harmony required for the success of everyone</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ashby</title>
		<link>http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/art-napoleon-hill-mastermind/comment-page-1/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ashby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mastermind Group concept is an integral part of the business development programmes we run.  What we&#039;ve learned echoes Sean&#039;s comments:
- good leadership is essential because it ensures everyone gets air time whether they want it or not.  Our programme has a trained facilitator at most of the mastermind groups.  It costs us money, but we know from experience that our total programme experience is much richer when the mastermind groups work
- structure is essential: we start with a go-round where people talk about what they said they&#039;d do at the last meeting, what they&#039;ve actually done, and what they intend to do in the next two weeks.  then we get on to obstacles and strategies
- honouring your commitment to turn up only gets you to first base.  We have explicit agreements about how accountable we wish to be to the group, and give the others authority to hold us to a higher standard

Phone groups work OK, but there is something precious about physically meeting, and that is the degree of commitment required to get there.  People engage more (and therefore get more) when commitment is present.  Online forums you can drop in and out of don&#039;t engender the kind of commitment required for mastermind groups to inspire their members

Mastermind groups are a highly effective element of scaffolding for your business growth.

www.nbcoach.co.nz
www.biztime.co.nz (interactive coaching programme)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mastermind Group concept is an integral part of the business development programmes we run.  What we&#8217;ve learned echoes Sean&#8217;s comments:<br />
- good leadership is essential because it ensures everyone gets air time whether they want it or not.  Our programme has a trained facilitator at most of the mastermind groups.  It costs us money, but we know from experience that our total programme experience is much richer when the mastermind groups work<br />
- structure is essential: we start with a go-round where people talk about what they said they&#8217;d do at the last meeting, what they&#8217;ve actually done, and what they intend to do in the next two weeks.  then we get on to obstacles and strategies<br />
- honouring your commitment to turn up only gets you to first base.  We have explicit agreements about how accountable we wish to be to the group, and give the others authority to hold us to a higher standard</p>
<p>Phone groups work OK, but there is something precious about physically meeting, and that is the degree of commitment required to get there.  People engage more (and therefore get more) when commitment is present.  Online forums you can drop in and out of don&#8217;t engender the kind of commitment required for mastermind groups to inspire their members</p>
<p>Mastermind groups are a highly effective element of scaffolding for your business growth.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nbcoach.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcoach.co.nz</a><br />
<a href="http://www.biztime.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.biztime.co.nz</a> (interactive coaching programme)</p>
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		<title>By: maria keiser</title>
		<link>http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/art-napoleon-hill-mastermind/comment-page-1/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>maria keiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more!  Here&#039;s the problem, there are lots of nuances that attribute to their success, but when you&#039;ve got a group that is organized and committed it can be the most powerful asset to your business.  

Our business is to assemble and facilitate these boards for business owners, but we have also created a step by step guide for those that want to create their own.  We beleive in the concept so much that we would rather give you the tools to do it yourself correctly, than not do it at all.

http://theentrepreneurcircle.wordpress.com/category/peer-advisory-board/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more!  Here&#8217;s the problem, there are lots of nuances that attribute to their success, but when you&#8217;ve got a group that is organized and committed it can be the most powerful asset to your business.  </p>
<p>Our business is to assemble and facilitate these boards for business owners, but we have also created a step by step guide for those that want to create their own.  We beleive in the concept so much that we would rather give you the tools to do it yourself correctly, than not do it at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://theentrepreneurcircle.wordpress.com/category/peer-advisory-board/" rel="nofollow">http://theentrepreneurcircle.wordpress.com/category/peer-advisory-board/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean DSouza</title>
		<link>http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/art-napoleon-hill-mastermind/comment-page-1/#comment-1448</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean DSouza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gis said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I started a Mastermind group for the sole purpose initially to study Think And Grow Rich. Every week we would discuss a chapter. As we neared the end of the book, I decided to add structure. I realised that we were beginning to get a little disorganized in our approach and perhaps not totally benefiting from our hour and a half. So now with structure, there are specific times allotted to discussing members&#039; wins from the past week with a focus on one particular member&#039;s problems during a given meeting. What started out as a book study, has turned into a once a week meeting. Members a making leaps and bounds in their businesses...making decisions they had not thought of or thought possible, and just thankful that they have a place to grow and learn safely.
 
You&#039;ve given me more ideas still and I&#039;m excited to test and see what&#039;s going to work for our group.
 
Thanks as always for your insight&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gis said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I started a Mastermind group for the sole purpose initially to study Think And Grow Rich. Every week we would discuss a chapter. As we neared the end of the book, I decided to add structure. I realised that we were beginning to get a little disorganized in our approach and perhaps not totally benefiting from our hour and a half. So now with structure, there are specific times allotted to discussing members&#8217; wins from the past week with a focus on one particular member&#8217;s problems during a given meeting. What started out as a book study, has turned into a once a week meeting. Members a making leaps and bounds in their businesses&#8230;making decisions they had not thought of or thought possible, and just thankful that they have a place to grow and learn safely.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve given me more ideas still and I&#8217;m excited to test and see what&#8217;s going to work for our group.</p>
<p>Thanks as always for your insight</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sean DSouza</title>
		<link>http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/art-napoleon-hill-mastermind/comment-page-1/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean DSouza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via email: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;You might want to re-examine the &quot;leadership&quot; issue. I&#039;ve been in three mastermind groups, none of which had a &quot;head honcho.&quot; And they&#039;ve all worked amazingly well, including my current one. We do have an agenda with a hot seat, and we all have a commitment. But no one&#039;s in charge.

I actually believe that having a &quot;head honcho&quot; or a vice president could undermine the effectiveness of the group- because the idea, at least for in my experience, is that each person shows up 100%, with no one in charge. Having someone in charge works against the individual leadership autonomy and responsibility each person needs to show every time.

Just a counter-thought.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


It&#039;s a good counter thought.

And here&#039;s one back...
If your group consists of people who take charge, then it works.

Put even one or two vibrant people in a group, and it infuses the group like lemon infuses water. :)

However having said that: I&#039;ve seen groups with lousy leadership and that too falls apart pretty quickly. As we&#039;ve discussed before there&#039;s no one way. It&#039;s just a way that I&#039;m proposing, because I&#039;ve seen it work with most BNI groups.

Just trying to make things work for now. Not necessarily work perfectly :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via email: </p>
<blockquote><p>You might want to re-examine the &#8220;leadership&#8221; issue. I&#8217;ve been in three mastermind groups, none of which had a &#8220;head honcho.&#8221; And they&#8217;ve all worked amazingly well, including my current one. We do have an agenda with a hot seat, and we all have a commitment. But no one&#8217;s in charge.</p>
<p>I actually believe that having a &#8220;head honcho&#8221; or a vice president could undermine the effectiveness of the group- because the idea, at least for in my experience, is that each person shows up 100%, with no one in charge. Having someone in charge works against the individual leadership autonomy and responsibility each person needs to show every time.</p>
<p>Just a counter-thought.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a good counter thought.</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s one back&#8230;<br />
If your group consists of people who take charge, then it works.</p>
<p>Put even one or two vibrant people in a group, and it infuses the group like lemon infuses water. <img src='http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However having said that: I&#8217;ve seen groups with lousy leadership and that too falls apart pretty quickly. As we&#8217;ve discussed before there&#8217;s no one way. It&#8217;s just a way that I&#8217;m proposing, because I&#8217;ve seen it work with most BNI groups.</p>
<p>Just trying to make things work for now. Not necessarily work perfectly <img src='http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean DSouza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean DSouza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael: I started up a Mastermind with some top notch marketers. And despite the drive of all of us, the whole thing fell apart in three sessions.

@Rae: Will have a look at the book.

@TwentyTwenty: Yes, that&#039;s correct. Who does make the difference. But often we have situations where &quot;who&quot; is not possible. And this is more the case online than offline of course. In this case, a &quot;common page&quot; is used as a format. Every one works from a &quot;common page&quot; or sings from the &quot;same page&quot;. The underlying principle then switches to WHY. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael: I started up a Mastermind with some top notch marketers. And despite the drive of all of us, the whole thing fell apart in three sessions.</p>
<p>@Rae: Will have a look at the book.</p>
<p>@TwentyTwenty: Yes, that&#8217;s correct. Who does make the difference. But often we have situations where &#8220;who&#8221; is not possible. And this is more the case online than offline of course. In this case, a &#8220;common page&#8221; is used as a format. Every one works from a &#8220;common page&#8221; or sings from the &#8220;same page&#8221;. The underlying principle then switches to WHY. <img src='http://www.psychotactics.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr Twenty Twenty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Twenty Twenty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey mate,

Great article on masterminding.  You remind the reader that if your mastermind is NOT set up as a Mastermind, then it it doomed to fail.  Your points on attending and keeping it focused are vital.

In my book, 2020 Mastermind, we share a few more guidelines  that are vital to the life and success of both real time and online masterminds.

One of the most important, is to be very selective with WHO YOU decide to invite to your mastermind.    

Surround yourself with people who are STARS, people who are taking massive, focused, directed action on their goals and dreams.

Because if you invite anyone else into your mastermind, it will just wither and die.  

Have a great day Sean!

Mr.  Twenty Twenty
Ex Hostage - Professional Visionary 
Giving the Visionaries of Tomorrow the tools they need to take massive action today!  Whoo yah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey mate,</p>
<p>Great article on masterminding.  You remind the reader that if your mastermind is NOT set up as a Mastermind, then it it doomed to fail.  Your points on attending and keeping it focused are vital.</p>
<p>In my book, 2020 Mastermind, we share a few more guidelines  that are vital to the life and success of both real time and online masterminds.</p>
<p>One of the most important, is to be very selective with WHO YOU decide to invite to your mastermind.    </p>
<p>Surround yourself with people who are STARS, people who are taking massive, focused, directed action on their goals and dreams.</p>
<p>Because if you invite anyone else into your mastermind, it will just wither and die.  </p>
<p>Have a great day Sean!</p>
<p>Mr.  Twenty Twenty<br />
Ex Hostage &#8211; Professional Visionary<br />
Giving the Visionaries of Tomorrow the tools they need to take massive action today!  Whoo yah!</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Sher&#039;s Success Teams from her &#039;Wishcraft&#039; book aren&#039;t as exalted as Napoleon Hill&#039;s Mastermind teams - yet they work pretty well.  Particularly as a group that has a finite life of a few weeks for each member to get some movement on a goal/project.

As far as I know - the book is now a free pdf download.  It was published in the 1970s when she was working as a counselor in New York.  (She&#039;s still working in her 70s as a presenter and writer.)

On line is not as good as live, IME, because the very act of preparing and turning up to the meetings and making the call to your buddy for the week is a great way to chop off the pitiful excuses.  Progress is more certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Sher&#8217;s Success Teams from her &#8216;Wishcraft&#8217; book aren&#8217;t as exalted as Napoleon Hill&#8217;s Mastermind teams &#8211; yet they work pretty well.  Particularly as a group that has a finite life of a few weeks for each member to get some movement on a goal/project.</p>
<p>As far as I know &#8211; the book is now a free pdf download.  It was published in the 1970s when she was working as a counselor in New York.  (She&#8217;s still working in her 70s as a presenter and writer.)</p>
<p>On line is not as good as live, IME, because the very act of preparing and turning up to the meetings and making the call to your buddy for the week is a great way to chop off the pitiful excuses.  Progress is more certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I formed a mastermind group a while ago and it has been dead in the water for many months, now, for exactly the reasons you give.

Your observations are right on the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I formed a mastermind group a while ago and it has been dead in the water for many months, now, for exactly the reasons you give.</p>
<p>Your observations are right on the money.</p>
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